http://m.getsatisfaction.com/topics/7804380/replies/19948412 http://m.getsatisfaction.com/topics/7804380/replies/19947576 19948412 urbanemovies responded to "PS: Which Movie Best Makes Legal History?" 2019-01-11T20:55:50Z 2019-01-11T20:55:50Z urbanemovies http://m.getsatisfaction.com/people/8928080 https://d2r1vs3d9006ap.cloudfront.net/public/uploaded_images/11144381/monkey-selfie_medium.jpg shawn_longway The inspiration and timely tie-in for the poll is <a alt="" href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4669788/?ref_=ttls_li_tt" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="" type="" value="">On the Basis of Sex</a> (2018) and to find movies that measure up or are comparable in theme and cinematically. The "Notorious R.B.G." argued six gender discrimination cases before the Supreme Court between 1973 and 1976, winning five. Therefore, the use of "Legal History" is key, it is not just about movies&nbsp; being a compelling legal themed movie or story. The legal history in some shape or form is the central component of this poll suggestion. However, I did intentionally leave the question open to interpretation, so voters if inclined could vote for the best legal movie or best legal story, if the more scholarly approach proves too taxing.<br alt="" name="" rel="" target="" title="" type="" value="" /><br alt="" name="" rel="" target="" title="" type="" value="" />As I pointed out, perfect options are a rarity. I tried to look at different ways to read or answer question and include options that are top five options using a single criteria and fill out the remainder with more balanced options that score well across the board. I had the same reservations on these movies and agree they are flawed in a one or two ways, but when viewed in the aggregate strong enough to be included, but not weak enough to be excluded.<br alt="" name="" rel="" target="" title="" type="" value="" /><br alt="" name="" rel="" target="" title="" type="" value="" />1) Specifically, I wanted to include the Joan of Arc, an <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecclesiastical_court" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="" type="" value="">ecclesiastical court</a> case as being one of the most famous in real-life, as well as, the most represented with several movies over the past century:&nbsp; <a alt="" href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0019254" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Link httpswwwimdbcomtitlett0019254" type="" value="">La passion de Jeanne d'Arc</a> (1928), <a alt="" href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0040491/?ref_=ttfc_fc_tt" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="" type="" value="">Joan of Arc</a> (1948), <a alt="" href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151137" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Link httpswwwimdbcomtitlett0151137" type="" value="">Joan of Arc</a> (1999), <a alt="" href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0178145/?ref_=ttfc_fc_tt" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="" type="" value="">Joan of Arc</a> (1999– ) among others. They all had merits, I saw this a pick-em situation, but I have switched to your recommendation of <a alt="" href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0019254" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Link httpswwwimdbcomtitlett0019254" type="" value="">La passion de Jeanne d'Arc</a> (1928).<br alt="" name="" rel="" target="" title="" type="" value="" /><br alt="" name="" rel="" target="" title="" type="" value="" />2) Likewise, <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_(arts)" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Character arts" type="" value="">fictional character</a> <b alt="" name="" rel="" target="" title="" type="" value="">Roxanne</b> "<b alt="" name="" rel="" target="" title="" type="" value="">Roxie</b>" <b alt="" name="" rel="" target="" title="" type="" value="">Hart</b> inspired by the real-life 1924 murder trials of <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beulah_Annan" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Beulah Annan" type="" value="">Beulah Annan</a> and <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belva_Gaertner" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Belva Gaertner" type="" value="">Belva Gaertner.</a> were well-publicized cases in the 1920's. While, hardly nobody knows them today, everyone is familiar the basics of the case and the name of their fictional offspring. <a alt="" href="http://www.clydefitchreport.com/2010/10/the-girls-of-murder-city-the-women-who-inspired-roxie-hart-and-velma-kelly/" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="" type="" value="">"The Women Who Inspired Roxie Hart and Velma Kelly"</a>. The fame of the Broadway productions and Hollywood movies has certainly eclipsed the famous real-life 1924 murder trials.<br alt="" name="" rel="" target="" title="" type="" value="" /><p alt="" name="" rel="" target="" title="" type="" value="">The play made it to <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadway_theatre" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Broadway theatre" type="" value="">Broadway</a> in 1926 and ran for 172 performances. Gaertner attended the Chicago opening. Its adaptations include: </p> <ul alt="" name="" rel="" target="" title="" type="" value=""> <li alt="" name="" rel="" target="" title="" type="" value=""> <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_(1927_film)" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Chicago 1927 film" type="" value=""><i alt="" name="" rel="" target="" title="" type="" value="">Chicago</i></a>, a 1927 silent film, with <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllis_Haver" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Phyllis Haver" type="" value="">Phyllis Haver</a> playing Roxie</li> <li alt="" name="" rel="" target="" title="" type="" value=""> <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roxie_Hart_(film)" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Roxie Hart film" type="" value=""><i alt="" name="" rel="" target="" title="" type="" value="">Roxie Hart</i></a>, a 1942 film starring <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginger_Rogers" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Ginger Rogers" type="" value="">Ginger Rogers</a> as Roxie</li> <li alt="" name="" rel="" target="" title="" type="" value=""> <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_(musical)" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Chicago musical" type="" value=""><i alt="" name="" rel="" target="" title="" type="" value="">Chicago</i></a>, the original 1975 Broadway <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stage_musical" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Stage musical" type="" value="">stage musical</a>, featuring <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwen_Verdon" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Gwen Verdon" type="" value="">Gwen Verdon</a>,<a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roxie_Hart#cite_note-Hart_to_Hart-2" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="" type="" value="">[2]</a> and its 1996 revival</li> <li alt="" name="" rel="" target="" title="" type="" value=""> <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_(2002_film)" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Chicago 2002 film" type="" value=""><i alt="" name="" rel="" target="" title="" type="" value="">Chicago</i></a>, an <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Academy Award" type="" value="">Oscar</a>-winning 2002 film adapted from the 1975 musical (and its 1996 revival), starring <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9e_Zellweger" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Rene Zellweger" type="" value="">Renée Zellweger</a> as Roxie,<a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roxie_Hart#cite_note-Hart_to_Hart-2" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="" type="" value="">[2]</a> <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Zeta-Jones" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Catherine Zeta-Jones" type="" value="">Catherine Zeta-Jones</a> as rival <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velma_Kelly" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Velma Kelly" type="" value="">Velma Kelly</a> and <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Gere" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Richard Gere" type="" value="">Richard Gere</a> as defense attorney <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Flynn_(Chicago)" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Billy Flynn Chicago" type="" value="">Billy Flynn</a> </li> </ul> Performers who have portrayed Roxie Hart in the musical also include <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Katherine_Edgar&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Katherine Edgar page does not exist" type="" value="">Katherine Edgar</a>, <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paige_Davis" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Paige Davis" type="" value="">Paige Davis</a>, <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liza_Minnelli" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Liza Minnelli" type="" value="">Liza Minnelli</a> (who substituted for Gwen Verdon in the original production in 1975), <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Reinking" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Ann Reinking" type="" value="">Ann Reinking</a>, <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bianca_Marroquin" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Bianca Marroquin" type="" value="">Bianca Marroquin</a>, <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooke_Shields" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Brooke Shields" type="" value="">Brooke Shields</a>,<a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roxie_Hart#cite_note-Hart_to_Hart-2" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="" type="" value="">[2]</a> <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruthie_Henshall" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Ruthie Henshall" type="" value="">Ruthie Henshall</a>, <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melora_Hardin" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Melora Hardin" type="" value="">Melora Hardin</a>,<a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roxie_Hart#cite_note-3" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="" type="" value="">[3]</a> <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashlee_Simpson" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Ashlee Simpson" type="" value="">Ashlee Simpson</a>,<a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roxie_Hart#cite_note-Hart_to_Hart-2" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="" type="" value="">[2]</a> <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanie_Griffith" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Melanie Griffith" type="" value="">Melanie Griffith</a>,<a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roxie_Hart#cite_note-Hart_to_Hart-2" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="" type="" value="">[2]</a> <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samantha_Harris" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Samantha Harris" type="" value="">Samantha Harris</a>, <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Williams_(singer)" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Michelle Williams singer" type="" value="">Michelle Williams</a>,<a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roxie_Hart#cite_note-Hart_to_Hart-2" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="" type="" value="">[2]</a> <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christie_Brinkley" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Christie Brinkley" type="" value="">Christie Brinkley</a><a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roxie_Hart#cite_note-4" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="" type="" value="">[4]</a> and <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandy_Norwood" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Brandy Norwood" type="" value="">Brandy Norwood</a>.<a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roxie_Hart#cite_note-5" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="" type="" value="">[5]</a> Henshall, Simpson, Shields, and Williams have portrayed the character both on <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadway_theatre" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Broadway theatre" type="" value="">Broadway</a> and <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_End_theatre" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="West End theatre" type="" value="">The West End</a>. <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bebe_Neuwirth" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Bebe Neuwirth" type="" value="">Bebe Neuwirth</a>, who won a <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Award" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Tony Award" type="" value="">Tony Award</a> for the role of <a alt="" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velma_Kelly" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="Velma Kelly" type="" value="">Velma Kelly</a> in 1997, also portrayed Roxie in the same production in 2006.<br alt="" name="" rel="" target="" title="" type="" value="" /><br alt="" name="" rel="" target="" title="" type="" value="" />While I agree it didn't set any legal precedents, I do think it historically had some impact on both the legal movie genre and society's view of women as criminals. I could have chosen any one of a half-dozen adaptations, I opted for the Oscar-winning one. While, very weak on criteria #3) legal precedent (threshold Supreme Court ruling, a first or some type of record and borderline on #4) societal significance (threshold changed course of history, world or society) It is near the top position on criteria #1) widely seen movie (threshold 50,000+ IMDb votes) and criteria #2) famous trial or case (threshold commonly known to general public) is enough to counter-balance and make it into the answer pool. Please, note I am not including an O.J. Simpson trial movie, the Prosecuting Casey Anthony (TV Movie 2013), or any other purely sensational&nbsp; legal movie that doesn't make a case across-the-board.<br alt="" name="" rel="" target="" title="" type="" value="" /><br alt="" name="" rel="" target="" title="" type="" value="" />3) <a alt="" href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102138/" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="" type="" value="">JFK (1991)</a> makes a similar case with a weakness in #3) legal precedent (threshold Supreme Court ruling, a first or some type of record. But, it is near the top position on criteria #1) widely seen movie (threshold 50,000+ IMDb votes) and criteria #2) famous trial or case (threshold commonly known to general public) is enough to counter-balance and make it into the answer pool. It is even stronger in #4) societal significance (threshold changed course of history, world or society). I can't think of another movie that created as much publicity before or after it was released. Likewise, I can't think of one that forced Congress to hold hearings, let alone pass a law. <a alt="" href="https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/10/26/16536122/oliver-stone-jfk-assassination-trump" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="" type="" value="">How a 1991 movie resulted in JFK's assassination files being released.</a> Plus, The actual prosecution by Jim Garrison of Clay Shaw was the most vocal voice at the time (newspaper headlines, news broadcasts) and documents a historical significant real-life event of even more famous assassination. <br alt="" name="" rel="" target="" title="" type="" value="" /><br alt="" name="" rel="" target="" title="" type="" value="" />I feel all are worthy or worthy enough to be included in the answer pool, while they like just every other answer option have some flaws. I also feel when viewed in the aggregate, there inclusion doesn't deny any other legal movies a spot they have earned. At worst, we can agree they may be on par with other movie options that have their own warts and are judgement calls. <br alt="" name="" rel="" target="" title="" type="" value="" /><br alt="" name="" rel="" target="" title="" type="" value="" />Anyways, I made the one change and detailed the thought process behind the two others. I agree and share your issues on these films, just not that it precludes <a alt="" href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0299658/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="" type="" value="">Chicago</a> (2002)&nbsp; or <a alt="" href="https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102138/" name="" rel="nofollow" target="" title="" type="" value="">JFK (1991)</a> inclusion as options. I certainly can understand a poll taker's decision not to vote for either, as neither would be among my top fifteen choices for a vote to the question: Which Movie Best Makes Legal History? <br alt="" name="" rel="" target="" title="" type="" value="" /> 2